Saturday, April 25, 2009

Believe in God of Love or God of The Book?

Do you believe in a God of Love or The God of the Hebrew Bible? The God of The New Testament? The God of The Koran? or any other Revealed Religion? (Revealed Religion means where God actually came upon the Earth and told a special mortal what His word was in Hebrew because that is the language God spoke at that time in History. Apparently He told this Prophet that He, God, was Jewish and He would direct and instruct through various Jewish prophets how He is to be worshiped in His Jewish Faith because God told them they were created to be His Chosen people and He promised them Real Estate and all other tribes (Evolutionized to Nations today. These Nations would wait on them hand and foot, as long as they remained faithfull. He would also slay all their enemies His Great Powerful Terribleness leading their way carried upon the Ark or a Moses raising his arms while He made the sun stand still and not set until the Jewish army had slain the last enemy in revenge for something that happened 400 years prior...... Naturally this Jewish God was as ignorant as the Jew who wrote it. Both thought the Earth was flat not moving as a foot stool and the sun was rising up always from the East and falling down always on the west. Neither had a clue that the Earth was round like a ball and was spinning and they were the ones moving. Astronomy was a long ways from coming into mans reasoning. Because God was really Man both were still stuck with the false science of Astrology. So to speak, Methinks, by allegedly claiming God said and did similar words and things{ It definitely was first told and then later written on scrolls by the Jewish Rabies) however, back to the first and second latter word of the Bible: The Christians; The Mohammadans that we as humans must spread His Eternal Word to convert all people and save them from Damnation as those who believe are saved from His terrible wrath. He told us Heaven awaits those who obey Him and love Him For He is a Jealous God!.(Jealous? This perception of a God sounds more as a man than a God and more identical to Mythology from the even more ancient monostatic Sungod Ra of the Egyptians or The Druids or even Apollo.

Exodus 20 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

All have been born in sin and cut off since Adam who was his first creation had disobeyed Him by eating from the tree of Knowledge tempted by a falling angel Satan appearing as a serpent; tricking his mistress Eve, who was made from one of Adam's ribs into giving the fruit from that tree to Adam and today how we must worship this God who is our Father and for the Christians His only begotten Son who was willed to die to save us from Original Sin because the Father felt sorry for us in repentance Because He Loved us. The Crime and punishment? (eating from the tree of knowledge wherein death came and the door to Heaven was shut)! According to the Church of Rome and its many denominations following suite. The tree in the allegorical proverbial Hebrew sense had to be made a real tree with real fruit to make Christ being foretold all the way back in Genesis according to Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 . 22: 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. Why he had to come and die for our original sin. It could not stand for him giving his life for a allegorical proverbial tree and fruit, and then you wonder why the educated in Hebrew faith did not recognize Jesus and still do not understand how the Christians twist the meanings from their very own Chosen People Book, whose contents thereof your own Natural God Given Human Reason will tell you it was not written by any god whatsoever but by the pride of a Jew who is in reality originally related exactly to the Arabian Tribes of old. and wanted to be especially more important than his fellow inhabitants of this planet by comfrting his ego that the almighty chose him. Then the gentiles through Christ said the Builders rejected the corner stone and were cast out and the Gentiles became the adopted children of God and he cast out the Jews who according to these words had to still be his own flesh and blood. Then along came the other Arabian Tribes. They really felt left out until a new prophet came from among them and this crazy mixed up god told them the real story..All were supposed to be Muslims. The Jews falsefied his words and therefore they must be killed. All of them. The Christians must convert or be slain and if they convert they shall be inferior to the true Arab Muslims and can become their servants.

Now, if you think what I wrote is ridiculous let us read the fall of man as written in the Bible.

It may be a good idea to read this using our God Given Natural Reasoning so I present direct from the Bible the story:

Genesis 3 (New International Version)

Genesis 3

The Fall of Man
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
And all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
And you will eat dust
All the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity This has been made in the 4th Century as predicting the Virgin, untouched by Original Sin and Birth of Jesus.
Between you and the woman,
And between your offspring a]">[a] and hers;
He will crush b]">[b] your head,
And you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
With pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you."

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
Through painful toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
And you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow
You will eat your food
Until you return to the ground,
Since from it you were taken;
For dust you are
And to dust you will return."

20 Adam c]">[c] named his wife Eve, d]">[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.( 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." (My question: Was God talking to other Gods? Are there more than one according to this?) or was it copied from another mythological story.23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side e]">[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. My own thoughts: Certainly not a God of Love and Forgiveness depicted here that you need not agree toward. (This is even more fabricated than the story of Santa when we were kids and didn't know any better. And why was the flaming sword placed on the East side. Because the first thoughts in Mythology of God was that he was directing his powers from the sun which rose in the East. That was the beginnings of Mythologists by ancient Egyptian storytellers and proven through their Hieroglyphics many thousand of years before the God of Abraham was fabricated. . Everything important came from the East to the West observing from the South Never North because the suns rays did not emirate from there.)

To quote Thomas Paine, "Were man impressed as fully and as strongly as he ought to be with the belief of a God, his moral life would be regulated by the force of that belief; he would stand in awe of God and of himself, and would not do the thing that could not be concealed from either. To give this belief the full opportunity of force, it is necessary that it acts alone. This is Deism. But when, according to the Christian Trinitarian scheme, one part of God is represented by a dying man, and another part, called the Holy Ghost, by a flying pigeon, it is impossible that belief can attach itself to such wild conceits. . . .

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.

"Instead then of studying theology, as is now done out of the Bible and Testament, the meanings of which books are always controverted and the authenticity of which is disproved, it is necessary that we refer to the Bible of the Creation. The principles we discover there are eternal and of divine origin; they are the foundation of all the science that exists in the world, and must be the foundation of theology.

"We can know God only through His works. We cannot have a conception of any one attribute but by following some principle that leads to it. We have only a confused idea of His power, if we have not the means of comprehending something of its immensity. We can have no idea of His wisdom, but by knowing the order and manner in which it acts. The principles of science lead to this knowledge; for the Creator of man is the Creator of science, and it is through that medium that man can see God, as it were, face to face."

On May 12, 1797 while living in Paris, France Tomas Paine wrote the following letter to a Christian friend who was trying to convert Paine to Christianity. Paine's response fits perfectly with this page regarding the origins of the Bible.
"In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.
"But by what authority do you call the Bible the Word of God? For this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the Word of God makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the Word of God. This was done by yeas and nays,
"The Pharisees of the second temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.
"You may have an opinion that a man is inspired, but you cannot prove it, nor can you have any proof of it yourself, because you cannot see into his mind in order to know how he comes by his thoughts; and the same is the case with the word revelation. There can be no evidence of such a thing, for you can no more prove revelation than you can prove what another man dreams of, neither can he prove it himself.
"It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No.
"Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don't is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?
"For my own part, I believe that all are impostors who pretend to hold verbal communication with the Deity. It is the way by which the world has been imposed upon; but if you think otherwise you have the same right to your opinion that I have to mine, and must answer for it in the same manner. But all this does not settle the point, whether the Bible be the Word of God, or not. It is therefore necessary to go a step further. The case then is: -
"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible.
"The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. But the works of God in the creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea - that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness.
"The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the creation claims that God is unchangeable. Now, which am I to believe, a book that any impostor might make and call the Word of God, or the creation itself which none but an Almighty Power could make? For the Bible says one thing, and the creation says the contrary. The Bible represents God with all the passions of a mortal, and the creation proclaims him with all the attributes of a God.
"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. That bloodthirsty man, called the prophet Samuel, makes God to say, (I Sam. xv. 3) `Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'
"That Samuel or some other impostor might say this, is what, at this distance of time, can neither be proved nor disproved, but in my opinion it is blasphemy to say, or to believe, that God said it. All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.
"What makes this pretended order to destroy the Amalekites appear the worse, is the reason given for it. The Amalekites, four hundred years before, according to the account in Exodus xvii. (but which has the appearance of fable from the magical account it gives of Moses holding up his hands), had opposed the Israelites coming into their country, and this the Amalekites had a right to do, because the Israelites were the invaders, as the Spaniards were the invaders of Mexico. This opposition by the Amalekites, at that time, is given as a reason, that the men, women, infants and sucklings, sheep and oxen, camels and asses, that were born four hundred years afterward, should be put to death; and to complete the horror, Samuel hewed Agag, the chief of the Amalekites, in pieces, as you would hew a stick of wood. I will bestow a few observations on this case.

"In the first place, nobody knows who the author, or writer, of the book of Samuel was, and, therefore, the fact itself has no other proof than anonymous or hearsay evidence, which is no evidence at all. In the second place, this anonymous book says, that this slaughter was done by the express command of God: but all our ideas of the justice and goodness of God give the lie to the book, and as I never will believe any book that ascribes cruelty and injustice to God, I therefore reject the Bible as unworthy of credit.
"As I have now given you my reasons for believing that the Bible is not the Word of God, that it is a falsehood, I have a right to ask you your reasons for believing the contrary; but I know you can give me none, except that you were educated to believe the Bible; and as the Turks give the same reason for believing the Koran, it is evident that education makes all the difference, and that reason and truth have nothing to do in the case.
"You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each calls the other infidel. But leaving the prejudice of education out of the case, the unprejudiced truth is, that all are infidels who believe falsely of God, whether they draw their creed from the Bible, or from the Koran, from the Old Testament, or from the New.
"When you have examined the Bible with the attention that I have done (for I do not think you know much about it), and permit yourself to have just ideas of God, you will most probably believe as I do. But I wish you to know that this answer to your letter is not written for the purpose of changing your opinion. It is written to satisfy you, and some other friends whom I esteem, that my disbelief of the Bible is founded on a pure and religious belief in God; for in my opinion the Bible is a gross libel against the justice and goodness of God, in almost every part of it." as we now vote a law.

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